As a retired anesthesiologist, I questioned how all of this is ethical. Drugs like rocuronium cause muscle paralysis, so giving these drugs without other anesthetics that make a person unaware and unconscious would paralyze a person’s muscles so they couldn’t move or breathe or scream and they would die. This is a terrifying concept. The problem I encountered with organ harvesting is that all of the drugs that make you unconscious and unaware lower the blood pressure. Many of the organ harvest patients had labile blood pressure, and many were on vasopressor drips. The harvest teams always wanted the BP on the high side of normal to make sure the organs they were harvesting were well perfused. This situation made it difficult to give what we considered adequate anesthesia from an unconscious/unaware standpoint. Most of the time, the transplant team would tell us not to worry about it because the patient was “ brain dead.” We did routinely give paralytic drugs like rocuronium. I remember being uncomfortable and hoping they were sure the patient was actually brain dead and this meant they were completely unaware of what was happening to their body. I am no longer an organ donor.
This is an interesting and necessary conversation.
I have seen a video from Canada alleging that their MAID programme was rapidly extended to include young people because of the high value of young organs for transplant.
The maker of the video alleges that nearly all the MAID subjects are asked to donate organs before death and agree, believing this to be a philanthropic action, without realising that the Canadian Hospitals are independent businesses and can sell the harvested organs, usually to the US.
A human body can be worth 4 million dollars and possibly more for younger organs, so the profit motive corrupts medical decisions.
It has also occurred to me that extending the qualifying illnesses and disabilities to those questionable ones of lower morbidity, might also release healthier organs for transplant, but would put at risk patients who are not actually dying of their disease.
I cannot find my original link, so am writing from memory, nor can I independently confirm these details, but the information is concerning.
Very well written. I have experienced last moments of a few of my relatives and wished them the comfort of death way before they actually died and always had mixed feeling about my own thoughts. Funny how so many things today come back to the 2020 worldwide death camp experiments carried out by the supposed elites on us living pawns, I find it repulsive and it makes me angry. We were played and I pray we never fall for it again and the pushers get what they deserve. Thanks again Hojo
..."which just further supports the notion that iatrogenesis is the number one cause of death worldwide."...Is there a more truthful statement to be had? No. Perhaps other than most drugs are deadly to some degree as they are ALL foreign invaders into cherished territory despite claims by your doctor to the contrary. Drugs are NOT good for you, especially longer term.
The Rev Tina is on to something profound I believe and so well hidden over the last 70 years that is even now unthinkable. And that is exactly as the modern medical mafia wants it to remain. The vaccine quackery castle must remain upright at all costs. Get your injections or die they say. If you are near death, we have just the remedies.
I assume you mean that reducing the number of patients would reduce the waiting lists. But there are so many more people entering the system that I don't thik it would 'end' the list. 🤷🏻♀️
The medical mafia subscribes to a death culture. The govts NHS (and the DHBs in NZ) ideology is from the corporate mindset they are pro killing for their own " cost cutting" not to end "needless suffering".
They redefine society's most vulnerable as " burdens" to suit their narrative.
As a clinically unstable severely injured patient I was taken off life support then given those drugs( Propofol, codeine, tramadol, paragablin, a truckload of paracetamol and benzos) then subjected to painful " active rehabilitation"( which is torture when you have multiple life threatening unstable fractures and internal bleeding ) as a way to murder me as the govt's insurance corporation(ACC) did not want to fund the cost of my injury care or treatments.
The drs( and or hospital management) definitely do make decisions to try to end your body's life without your or your family's input or consent .
If we had less of a subscription to fear ( of death)we would be able to discuss such matters. It is a hollow culture that fails to talk about death of the body, and does not promote and support Self knowledge , knowledge of the Self as awareness ( not state of consciousness that is the body).
“I don’t think people should be made to keep on living when they are in dreadful pain – we don’t expect it of animals, we shouldn’t ask it of people. ‘I don’t want to be a burden’. How many of us have heard ourselves saying that in our heads, when we contemplate the end of our life? But we’re all burdens – that’s the point. We’re all a burden to someone and to ourselves. That’s the nature of living and dying.
The 1967 Abortion Act was supposed to apply to a narrow criteria of exceptions. Quickly the exception became the norm; according to UK government statistics, there were 214,256 abortions in England and Wales in 2021, the highest number since the 1967 Act. Will assisted dying become routine when we become a burden, just as abortion has become another form of contraception? Sometimes it seems like we have it all wrong – we kill the unborn child, we don’t kill murderers and now we’re telling the seriously ill that they’d be better off dead. I hope someone not emotionally deranged by false compassion syndrome can see the problems with this Bill. Life is precious – the bit at the beginning, the bit in the middle and the bit at the end.
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In comments
“This piece mentions Switzerland as being the first place in 1942 to introduce this kind of law. It is argued it was in 1930's Germany that this sort of legislation was first introduced.”
“Bill or no Bill this nightmare is already well under way and has been for some time. Look up 'Just in Case' medications.
These are issued on the say so of nurses and administered by nurses. The patient has very little say in the matter. Any 'agitation' about being euthanised is catered for with the thoughtful inclusion of a dose of midazolam.”
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Bottom line is stay away from any NHS medics if you can possibly help it.
As a retired anesthesiologist, I questioned how all of this is ethical. Drugs like rocuronium cause muscle paralysis, so giving these drugs without other anesthetics that make a person unaware and unconscious would paralyze a person’s muscles so they couldn’t move or breathe or scream and they would die. This is a terrifying concept. The problem I encountered with organ harvesting is that all of the drugs that make you unconscious and unaware lower the blood pressure. Many of the organ harvest patients had labile blood pressure, and many were on vasopressor drips. The harvest teams always wanted the BP on the high side of normal to make sure the organs they were harvesting were well perfused. This situation made it difficult to give what we considered adequate anesthesia from an unconscious/unaware standpoint. Most of the time, the transplant team would tell us not to worry about it because the patient was “ brain dead.” We did routinely give paralytic drugs like rocuronium. I remember being uncomfortable and hoping they were sure the patient was actually brain dead and this meant they were completely unaware of what was happening to their body. I am no longer an organ donor.
Thank you for sharing, I really appreciate your contribution to the conversation. 🙏
This is an interesting and necessary conversation.
I have seen a video from Canada alleging that their MAID programme was rapidly extended to include young people because of the high value of young organs for transplant.
The maker of the video alleges that nearly all the MAID subjects are asked to donate organs before death and agree, believing this to be a philanthropic action, without realising that the Canadian Hospitals are independent businesses and can sell the harvested organs, usually to the US.
A human body can be worth 4 million dollars and possibly more for younger organs, so the profit motive corrupts medical decisions.
It has also occurred to me that extending the qualifying illnesses and disabilities to those questionable ones of lower morbidity, might also release healthier organs for transplant, but would put at risk patients who are not actually dying of their disease.
I cannot find my original link, so am writing from memory, nor can I independently confirm these details, but the information is concerning.
Thank you for sharing that information, it is very interesting and also disturbing, although not entirely surprising.
Please let me know if you do find your original link. 🙏
Very well written. I have experienced last moments of a few of my relatives and wished them the comfort of death way before they actually died and always had mixed feeling about my own thoughts. Funny how so many things today come back to the 2020 worldwide death camp experiments carried out by the supposed elites on us living pawns, I find it repulsive and it makes me angry. We were played and I pray we never fall for it again and the pushers get what they deserve. Thanks again Hojo
Thank you. 🙏
..."which just further supports the notion that iatrogenesis is the number one cause of death worldwide."...Is there a more truthful statement to be had? No. Perhaps other than most drugs are deadly to some degree as they are ALL foreign invaders into cherished territory despite claims by your doctor to the contrary. Drugs are NOT good for you, especially longer term.
The Rev Tina is on to something profound I believe and so well hidden over the last 70 years that is even now unthinkable. And that is exactly as the modern medical mafia wants it to remain. The vaccine quackery castle must remain upright at all costs. Get your injections or die they say. If you are near death, we have just the remedies.
get rid of the nhs waiting lists
I assume you mean that reducing the number of patients would reduce the waiting lists. But there are so many more people entering the system that I don't thik it would 'end' the list. 🤷🏻♀️
A wonderful read - as always 🙏
You picked up too on something I noticed a while ago ... The WHO are awfully bloody quiet 🤔
They are indeed - very quiet!!
The medical mafia subscribes to a death culture. The govts NHS (and the DHBs in NZ) ideology is from the corporate mindset they are pro killing for their own " cost cutting" not to end "needless suffering".
They redefine society's most vulnerable as " burdens" to suit their narrative.
As a clinically unstable severely injured patient I was taken off life support then given those drugs( Propofol, codeine, tramadol, paragablin, a truckload of paracetamol and benzos) then subjected to painful " active rehabilitation"( which is torture when you have multiple life threatening unstable fractures and internal bleeding ) as a way to murder me as the govt's insurance corporation(ACC) did not want to fund the cost of my injury care or treatments.
The drs( and or hospital management) definitely do make decisions to try to end your body's life without your or your family's input or consent .
If we had less of a subscription to fear ( of death)we would be able to discuss such matters. It is a hollow culture that fails to talk about death of the body, and does not promote and support Self knowledge , knowledge of the Self as awareness ( not state of consciousness that is the body).
Thank you. Food for thought.
Reminds me of this quote :
The death of human empathy is one of the earliest and most telling signs of a culture about to fall into barbarism.
-Hannah Arendt
“ We’re all a burden to someone and to ourselves. That’s the nature of living and dying.”
( see article *)
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There may be an additional reason .
Euthanasia a growth industry, big-time
https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/euthanasia-a-growth-industry-big-time?publication_id=806546&post_id=153652785&isFreemail=true&r=1qdlzh&triedRedirect=true&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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*The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill – some thoughts from an ill adult
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/assisted-dying-the-terminally-ill-adults-bill-some-thoughts-from-an-ill-adult/
“I don’t think people should be made to keep on living when they are in dreadful pain – we don’t expect it of animals, we shouldn’t ask it of people. ‘I don’t want to be a burden’. How many of us have heard ourselves saying that in our heads, when we contemplate the end of our life? But we’re all burdens – that’s the point. We’re all a burden to someone and to ourselves. That’s the nature of living and dying.
The 1967 Abortion Act was supposed to apply to a narrow criteria of exceptions. Quickly the exception became the norm; according to UK government statistics, there were 214,256 abortions in England and Wales in 2021, the highest number since the 1967 Act. Will assisted dying become routine when we become a burden, just as abortion has become another form of contraception? Sometimes it seems like we have it all wrong – we kill the unborn child, we don’t kill murderers and now we’re telling the seriously ill that they’d be better off dead. I hope someone not emotionally deranged by false compassion syndrome can see the problems with this Bill. Life is precious – the bit at the beginning, the bit in the middle and the bit at the end.
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In comments
“This piece mentions Switzerland as being the first place in 1942 to introduce this kind of law. It is argued it was in 1930's Germany that this sort of legislation was first introduced.”
“Bill or no Bill this nightmare is already well under way and has been for some time. Look up 'Just in Case' medications.
These are issued on the say so of nurses and administered by nurses. The patient has very little say in the matter. Any 'agitation' about being euthanised is catered for with the thoughtful inclusion of a dose of midazolam.”
Reply:
Bottom line is stay away from any NHS medics if you can possibly help it.